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** On Sunday 23.11.25 - 00:48, Mindsurfer wrote to Nightfox:

PS: What a pitty that skiff.com was bought by Notion. It was a really good service with lots of features, domains and aliases for a competitive
price. And it was encrypted to its core. The whole Skiff service was build with complete encryption in mind. They could not resist the buy offer. Too bad. I was using their free tier for as long as it was available.

Never hear of skiff. How long were they around before selling
out?


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Re: skiff
By: Ogg to Mindsurfer on Sun Nov 23 2025 11:46:00

PS: What a pitty that skiff.com was bought by Notion. It was a really good
service with lots of features, domains and aliases for a competitive
price. And it was encrypted to its core. The whole Skiff service was build
with complete encryption in mind. They could not resist the buy offer. Too
bad. I was using their free tier for as long as it was available.

Never hear of skiff. How long were they around before selling out?

here are some snippets from their wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiff_(email_service)

"Skiff was an email service startup company and collaboration tool, that provided privacy-friendly end-to-end encrypted Email and Cloud services.
..
Skiff launched in 2021 and was developed in San Francisco, California.
In November 2023, 17 months after launch, it reached almost 2 million users. Skiff was acquired by Notion on 9 February 2024. Users had six months to migrate their data before the closure of the services. The service mostly shut down on 9 August 2024 with email forwarding remaining active until 9 February 2025."

Mindsurfer

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Re: Then, once you paid
By: Nightfox to Mindsurfer on Sat Nov 22 2025 05:04 pm

I hadn't thought about the privacy issues a whole lot until recently.
I've thought about finding another email service provider, though I do like the Gmail interface (and its use of labeling emails), and I'm not sure yet if another email service provides that type of functionality.

Proton mail is the best I think, ergonomic, full of functionalities, and full PRIVACY. It do Labeling! :0)
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Lordwoodoo wrote to Nightfox <=-

I hadn't thought about the privacy issues a whole lot until recently.
I've thought about finding another email service provider, though I do like the Gmail interface (and its use of labeling emails), and I'm not sure yet if another email service provides that type of functionality.

Proton mail is the best I think, ergonomic, full of functionalities,
and full PRIVACY.

I have heard, and am not sure it's actually true, that email coming from
a Proton address is sometimes blocked by some email servers, as it's seen
as potentially "shady".

I'd actually like to know if that's really true.



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Re: Re: Proton mail do it
By: Gamgee to Lordwoodoo on Mon Nov 24 2025 08:39 am

I have heard, and am not sure it's actually true, that email coming from a Proton address is sometimes blocked by some email servers, as it's seen as potentially "shady".

I'd actually like to know if that's really true.

No, I don4 t think so.. from my concern: I never had problems, and I am on Proton mail since early 2015. I think it is the contrary now: Proton is considered as a very secure email. Tools to fight spam are really good on it. Including Proton Sentinel and Dark Web Monitory.


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Re: Then, once you paid
By: Nightfox to Mindsurfer on Sat Nov 22 2025 05:04 pm

I hadn't thought about the privacy issues a whole lot until recently.
I've thought about finding another email service provider, though I do like the Gmail interface (and its use of labeling emails), and I'm not sure yet if another email service provides that type of functionality.

Proton mail is the best I think, ergonomic, full of functionalities,
and full PRIVACY. It do Labeling! :0) Regards,
.: Lord Woodoo :.
Somewhere In Time..

I've never used it, but know people that have used proton mail. :-)
Always heard great things!



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Re: Proton mail do it
By: Lordwoodoo to Nightfox on Sun Nov 23 2025 11:47 pm

Proton mail is the best I think, ergonomic, full of functionalities, and full PRIVACY. It do Labeling! :0)
Regards,

Protonmail shares an issue with Tuta (formely Tutanota), which is they don't have an universal protocol for accessing emails. So no POP3/IMAP, which is a deal breaker for serious ussage.

But then Tuta's web interface requires a Web Assembly blob which automatically makes their site much worse IMO.


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Re: Re: Proton mail do it
By: Gamgee to Lordwoodoo on Mon Nov 24 2025 08:39 am

I have heard, and am not sure it's actually true, that email coming from
a Proton address is sometimes blocked by some email servers, as it's seen
as potentially "shady".

I'd actually like to know if that's really true.

I have personally never experienced that using Proton, but I am not a heavy Proton user myself.

On the other hand, some underground communities play it the other way around - they only accept Proton email addresses for registration because they are aware people would just use Gmail otherwise, and when you are running a movie piracy site or whatever you don't want Google to see all of your traffic.


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Re: Re: Proton mail do it
By: jimmylogan to Lordwoodoo on Tue Nov 25 2025 08:37 pm

I've never used it, but know people that have used proton mail. :-)

It's great until any sort of authority requests your emails. In which case it is their policy to just hand em over. Probably don't need any sort of formal request, just "Hi this is X Police, plz 2 hand over all of this user's data" and they go "Sure, no problem!" but probably in Swiss or something.

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Re: Re: Proton mail do it
By: Gamgee to Lordwoodoo on Mon Nov 24 2025 08:39 am

I have heard, and am not sure it's actually true, that email coming from
a Proton address is sometimes blocked by some email servers, as it's seen
as potentially "shady".

I'd actually like to know if that's really true.

I have personally never experienced that using Proton, but I am not a heavy Proton user myself.

On the other hand, some underground communities play it the other way around - they only accept Proton email addresses for registration
because they are aware people would just use Gmail otherwise, and when
you are running a movie piracy site or whatever you don't want Google
to see all of your traffic.

Okay good, thanks for the info.




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Re: Proton mail do it
By: Arelor to Lordwoodoo on Wed Nov 26 2025 05:16 am

Protonmail shares an issue with Tuta (formely Tutanota), which is they Protonmail shares an issue with Tuta (formely Tutanota), which is they don't have an universal protocol for accessing emails. So no POP3/IMAP, which is a deal breaker for serious ussage.

For security reasons.
But you can bridge!
I have no problem with serious usage with it! ;0)

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Re: Re: Proton mail do it
By: phigan to jimmylogan on Wed Nov 26 2025 05:05 am

It's great until any sort of authority requests your emails. In which case it is their policy to just hand em over. Probably don't need any sort of formal request, just "Hi this is X Police, plz 2 hand over all of this user's data" and they go "Sure, no problem!" but probably in Swiss or something.

I dont think so. Swiss doesnt have the same laws about that.
But all other emails provider let Polices enter without request. Tehy have th keys.. ;0)

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Lordwoodoo wrote to Arelor <=-

Protonmail shares an issue with Tuta (formely Tutanota), which is they don't have an universal protocol for accessing emails. So no POP3/IMAP, which is a deal breaker for serious ussage.

For security reasons.
But you can bridge!
I have no problem with serious usage with it! ;0)

I do like being able to take my mail archives off of public servers and
store them on a local mbox file... figure the chances of me needing to
search for a mail from years ago on my phone to be pretty slim.



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